Wwho Is Scylla in O Brother Where Art Thou

Dome Vongvises

I just got done watching this picture last nighttime, and I can honestly say I enjoyed information technology. Nonetheless, I was kinda let down though because I was expecting a belly-hurtin' kind of funny. Anyway, I was curious to know well-nigh some of the parallels between Homer's The Odyssey and O'Blood brother. Too the cyclops (bible salesman), the sirens (the ladies in the river), Ulysses (George Cloney), what are some other things did the Coen Brothers draw from The Odyseey past Homer?

tommy_esq

the fact that the lead character is on a long journeying habitation...
i don't get the chip nigh the dapper dan pomade and the hairnet, but it was a riot.

Rob Willey

I was expecting a belly-hurtin' kind of funny.

Like nigh Coen brothers comedies, that comes with repeat viewings.
Rob
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Everlasting Gobstopper

Well, there's the fact that Penelope is being courted by suitors in The Odyssey, but she resists. This is slightly different in OBWAT, since she'due south not quite resisting her new fiance. In that location's also the exam that Ulysses has to go through. In OBWAT, it's that he has to become back her ring, in The Odyssey, information technology's something to do with him proving himself to be Osysseus... Information technology's something to do with their wedding bed. It's been a while since I've read information technology. I as well believe there's a correlation between the Lotus Eaters and revivalists, simply don't quote me on that. I also believe there was animal transformation in The Odyssey. Some of Odysseus' men were transformed into pigs past a goddess, whom Odysseus spent the next few years sleeping with. About the R-U-N-N-O-F-T affair, is that based on Greek equivalents, or on a translation of the epic?
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Dave White

The 1963 Anchor Books edition translated by Robert Fitzgerald has the offset seven lines thus:
Sing in me, Muse, and through me tell the story
of that man skilled in all ways of contending,
the wanderer, harried for years on end,
after he plundered the stronghold
on the proud height of Troy. He saw the townlands
and learned the minds of many afar men,
and weathered many bitter nights and days
(So it continues: "in his deep eye at sea, while he fought simply to save his life, to bring his shipmates home.")
So unless Hogwallop'due south wife actually S-O-T-A-O-A-A'ed, we're either dealing with a different translation, another 1 of those legendary Coen carmine herrings, or (and here's the explanation I'm partial to) just some really funny dialog.

Everlasting Gobstopper

Yep, all the translations I've seen have "Tell me, O Muse" or "Sing to me, O Muse" every bit the first few words. In greek, the lines are:

andra+ moi ennepe*++, mousa, polutropon*+, hos mala polla
planchthê, epei Troiês hieron ptoliethron epersen:
pollôn+ d' anthrôpôn+ iden+ astea+ kai noon egnô*,
polla d' ho g' en pontôi pathen algea hon kata* thumon,
arnumenos* hên te psuchên kai noston hetairôn+.
all' oud'* hôs hetarous errusato, hiemenos per:
autôn* gar spheterêisin atasthaliêisin olonto,

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Seth Paxton

Permit'south see, well...
Odysseus arrogantly thinks he tin can at first OUT TALK the Cyclops, equally happens in O Brother. He finds that the cyclops is better than he thought and is bested in this fashion.
Odysseus and his men KILL SOME COWS (for food I call up), and this ends upward making Zeus destroy his boat considering those cows were the sacred properity of the sun god Hyperion.
As said, his crew eats the Lotus flowers but Odysseus refuses. In the Odyssey information technology makes his crew lethargic, in O Brother it makes them not care about crime anymore and want to change their path.
When Odysseus first returns to his home he must sneak in among all the suitors dressed as AN OLD Human being, the verbal same way he sneaks in to meet his married woman in the trip the light fantastic toe hall in O Brother. And so later when he reveals himself information technology is because he is the simply one who tin cord his bow, which he does and so proceeds to "let em accept it". Sorta like his surreptitious strength via the striking song which he uses to acceleration his enemy.
Odysseus and his men sneak past the cyclops strapped under SHEEP, which is similar to hiding nether the KLAN SHEETS. Of course in this case he still catches them. Also a bit of a Coen joke on the audiance is that Odysseus blinds the cyclops with a spear or something, but in O Blood brother this result is narrowly averted, teasing the audiance with what they thought would exist another parallel (if you lot were familiar with the stories).
The TVA-induced flood could be the Charybdis (whirlpool in the ocean) to the Scylla (6 headed monster that eats men) of the policeman (who turns out to be the devil as well) and his men (weren't there 5 other men?) that are hunting the boys.
The blind sear was mentioned. In more detail Odysseus and his men go to Hades to notice the old sear who tells them the future and what they must practise. It could be argued that the bleak, washed-out, white-dusty hue of this point in the pic gives it a Hades look too.
Mark was onto the fact that Odysseus must prove who he is by knowing that their bed was carved from a living tree, somewhat like having to fetch their ring.
In that location's probably more that I'thousand not thinking of. Don't allow the Coen'southward fool you lot. They claim to have never read The Odyssey, but clearly they at least got their hands on the Cliff Notes or take picked up a lot of the story 2nd hand throughout their life.
Of course, it's also great how they weave that story with real and semi-existent characters from the depression era south, including the Governor who was closely based on the Governor of Texas in the late 30's. His name was Pappy O'Daniel too and was also a flour baron. He too had a radio testify featuring popular music. The Robert Johnson-similar graphic symbol who sells his soul (which fable said that Robert had done). Baby Confront Nelson was from that era besides.

Richard Kim

Knowing how disgusting pomade tin can be, the bits of humor most it were simply hilarious.

On the O Brother soundtrack CD, there is a screensaver which features a closeup of Dapper Dan's pomade. On it it says "contains seal oil."
Did anyone notice that the sheriff was supposed to exist Satan?
He was just as Tommy described (a white guy with a hound).
I am dislocated as to why the Coen Bros included this in the motion picture, since information technology had cipher to do with the Oddysey.

tommy_esq

seth- thanks for the insight! i've read 'the iliad' just never 'the odessey'. maybe anytime i'll go around to it...

Seth Paxton

Richard, peradventure yous missed where I said this

The TVA-induced flood could be the Charybdis (whirlpool in the ocean) to the Scylla (half-dozen headed monster that eats men) of the policeman (who turns out to exist the devil as well) and his men (weren't there five other men?) that are hunting the boys.

And in my last paragraph I was talking about how they tied in 30'southward America truth and legends with the Odyssey to create a new folk tale for America. They used the 30'southward depression era in the south, I think, because it is merely far enough back in fourth dimension to be slightly exterior the collective conscience of Americans, where folk legends still can exist, however every bit modernistic equally it could get without moving out of that folk-legends era.
I actually call back that was their intent, to make an American Odyssey, thus the inclusions of those characters. I remember Old Scratch is much more of an American folk tale grapheme than Poseidon or Zeus are. So, to me, that was why they included him as that graphic symbol, the "god" that keeps putting Ulysses off his form, just like it went for Odysseus.
You can see why I think so much of this Coen film even among their own work. Funny equally always, merely very ambitious in it'due south goals of creating a modern American folk epic.

Andy Sheets

Did anyone notice that the sheriff was supposed to be Satan?
He was only as Tommy described (a white guy with a hound).
I am dislocated every bit to why the Coen Bros included this in the picture show, since information technology had nothing to practice with the Oddysey.

Between this guy, Leonard Smalls in Raising Arizona, and, uh, that menacing bald guy in The Hudsucker Proxy, the Coens do seem to enjoy putting Devil figures in their movies
Some other nod to The Odyssey: Pappy O'Daniel'south son beginning refers to his father as Governor Menelaus Pappy O'Daniel. IIRC, Menelaus was one of the kings who started the war with Troy because his wife, Helen, had been kidnapped past Paris of Troy. I don't know how that fits in with the Coens' movie aside from the character's proper noun

RAF

I love this freakin' film and now that I have had a adventure to written report it on DVD I love information technology even more with repeated viewings.
Let'south as well not forget the homage paid to The Wizard of OZ. Besides the beginning which transforms from B&W to color in that location is the well-nigh obviously parallel when our boys discover the KKK meeting. The camera angles are the same and I one-half-expected to run into a lion's tail sticking out the dorsum of one of the "colorguard'southward" capes.

Practiced bear witness!
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Parker Clack

Raf:
This pic had and then many nifty laughs in it and one of them that got me rolling was the KKK meeting. What a riot.

I also expected them to starting time singing "Oh E Oh...... Wo........... O"
Parker

Guy Martin

Govenor Pappy O'Daniel's first name is Menaleus, who was a king in the Odyssey.
- Guy

Hugh Jackes

Not exactly an Oddysey reference, only did amybody else notice that the sheriff persuing them (who turned out to be the devil) seemed to exist a tribute to The Boss With No Eyes from Absurd Hand Luke?

JonZ

I dearest to see homages like that. Did whatsoever ane else detect The Big Lebowski/Mr Potter in Its A Wonderful Life similarities?
Ive used Dr Strangelove in a comic book I created way back.
While not as gutwrenching every bit Big Lebowski(one of the funniest movies Ive always seen)this was very enjoyable and most of the jokes were very subtle as if the Coens said"Lets come across how many go this"when they wrote it.
Theres alot more Öbviously you are not a golfer"humor-nearly of the laughs come up from the dialogue and the portrayal of the characters.
Spoilers
"You cant display a toad in a fine eating place like this....."
"Well, If that is Pete, I am aback of him.Fornicating with some whore of Babylon, these things dont happen for no reason,its obviously some sort of sentence on Petes character ......"
"So I borrowed it until I was certain"
"They loved him up and turned him into a horny toad"
I enjoyed O Brother.... Some amazing dialogue, good performances, and not bad cinematography in this movie.
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RAF

And let's not forget that Pappy O'Daniel's opponent was named Homer.
Also, I loved Steven Root's portrayal of the Radio Station Man. Looks like his career has him typecast!
All we needed was Andy Dick as a hick!

And, The Big Lebowski

Let's just say that "The Dude abides."

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Wwho Is Scylla in O Brother Where Art Thou

tommy_esq

Stunt Coordinator

Rob Willey

Screenwriter

Dave White

Auditioning

tommy_esq

Stunt Coordinator

Guy Martin

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